TSLA profits name for the duration finishing December 31, 2024.
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Tesla (TSLA -2.26%)This fall 2024 Profits CallJan 29, 2025, 5:30 p.m. ET
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Ready Remarks Questions and Solutions Name Contributors
Ready Remarks:
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Excellent afternoon, everybody, and welcome to Tesla’s fourth quarter 2024 q&a webcast. My title is Travis Axelrod, the right here at Tesla. And I am joined these days by means of Elon Musk and Vaibhav Taneja and plenty of different executives. Our This fall effects had been introduced at about 3:00 p.m.
Central Time within the replace deck we printed on the identical hyperlink as this webcast. All the way through this name, we can talk about our industry outlook and make forward-looking statements. Those feedback are according to predictions and expectancies as of these days. Precise occasions or effects may just vary materially because of plenty of dangers and uncertainties, together with the ones discussed in our most up-to-date filings with the SEC.
All the way through the question-and-answer portion of these days’s name, please prohibit your self to at least one query and one follow-up. [Operator instructions] Sooner than we leap into Q&A, Elon has some opening remarks. Elon?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Thanks. So, in abstract, in This fall, we set file and delivered cars at an annualized charge of just about 2 million a yr. So, congratulations to the Tesla crew on superb paintings, attaining file manufacturing and deliveries. Style Y was once the best-selling car of any type for 2024.
That is price noting. Now not simply the finest electrical car, the finest car of any type on Earth, No. 1 was once Style Y. We’re staying involved in maximizing volumes and clearly doubling down — I have no idea what — truly, I used to be going to mention doubling down in autonomy, however truly, it is like autonomy is like 10x-ing frankly.
Doubling isn’t even sufficient. We made many important investments in 2024 in production, AI and robotics that may endure immense fruit one day, immense. Find it irresistible’s, in truth, to this kind of scale that it’s tough to understand. And I have mentioned this sooner than and I will stand by means of it.
I see a trail. I am not announcing it is a very easy trail however I see a trail of Tesla being essentially the most treasured corporate on the planet by means of some distance. Now not even shut, like possibly a number of instances greater than — I imply, there’s a trail the place Tesla is price greater than the following most sensible 5 corporations blended. There is a trail to that.
I imply, I feel it is like and extremely it is like a troublesome trail however it’s an achievable trail. And that’s overwhelmingly because of self reliant cars and self reliant humanoid robots. So, our focal point is if truth be told development towards that. After which that is the place we are laying the bottom.
We laid the groundwork for that during 2024. We will proceed to put the groundwork for that during 2025. Actually, greater than laying the groundwork, if truth be told began development the construction. We are development the producing strains.
And I would like — putting in for what I feel will likely be an epic 2026 and a ludicrous ’27 and ’28, ridiculously excellent. This is my prediction. As you only a few folks perceive the price of self-driving and our talent to monetize the fleet. A few of these issues I have mentioned for relatively a very long time, and I do know folks have mentioned, “Smartly, Elon, the boy who cried like a wolf like every instances.” However I am telling you, there is a rattling wolf this time and you’ll pressure it.
Actually, it will pressure you. It is a self-driving wolf. For a large number of folks, like their revel in of Tesla Autonomy is like if it is even a yr outdated, if it is even two years outdated, it is like assembly anyone when they are like a baby and pondering that they are going to be a baby without end. However clearly no longer going to be a baby without end.
They develop up. But when their final revel in was once like, “Oh, FSD was once a baby.” It is like, smartly, it is grown up now. Have you ever observed it? It is like walks and talks. And that’s the reason truly what we have were given.
And it is tough for folks to know this as a result of human instinct is linear versus what we are seeing is exponential growth. So, that is why my No. 1 advice for any person who doubts is solely take a look at it. Have you ever attempted it? When’s the final time you attempted it? And the one people who find themselves skeptical, the one people who find themselves skeptical are those that have no longer attempted it.
So, a automobile is going — a passenger automobile usually has best about 10 hours of application a week out of 168, an excessively small share. As soon as that automobile is self reliant, my tough estimate is that it’s in use for a minimum of a 3rd of the hours a week, so name it, 50, possibly 55 hours of the week. And it may be used for each shipment supply and folks supply. So, even, let’s assume, persons are askeep however you’ll ship applications in the midst of the night time or resupply eating places or regardless of the case is also, no matter folks want in any respect hours of the day or night time.
That very same asset, the object that — these items that exist already and not using a incremental value alternate, only a tool replace, now have 5 instances or extra the application than they lately have. I feel this would be the greatest asset worth building up in human historical past. Perhaps there is something larger however I simply have no idea what it’s. And so, individuals who would glance within the rearview reflect are on the lookout for previous precedent, with the exception of I don’t believe there may be one.
So, glance, the truth of autonomy is upon us. And I repeat my recommendation, take a look at using the automobile or let it pressure you. So, now it really works rather well within the U.S., however after all, it’ll, over the years, paintings simply as smartly all over else. Sure, so we are running arduous to develop our annual volumes.
Our present constraint is battery packs this yr however we are running on addressing that constraint. And I feel we can make growth in addressing that constraint. After which issues are truly going to head ballistic subsequent yr and truly ballistic in ’27 and ’28. So, sure, so a bit of extra on full-self-driving.
Our This fall car protection file displays persisted year-over-year development in protection for cars. So, the security numbers, if any person has supervised complete self- using activate or no longer, the security variations are gigantic. And folks have observed the immense development with Model 13, and with incremental variations in Model 13 and 14 goes to be but some other step past that, this is very important. We introduced the Cortex coaching cluster at Gigafactory Austin, which was once a vital contributor to FSD development.
And we proceed to spend money on coaching infrastructure out of Texas headquarters. So, the educational wishes for Optimus humanoid robotic, are almost definitely a minimum of in the long run 10x of what’s wanted for the automobile, a minimum of to get to the overall vary of helpful position. You’ll be able to say like what number of other roles are there for a humanoid robotic as opposed to a automobile? A humanoid robotic has almost definitely 1,000 instances extra makes use of and extra advanced issues than in a automobile. That does not imply the educational scales by means of 1,000 however it is almost definitely at 10x.
Now you’ll do that step by step, so it doesn’t suggest like Tesla’s going to spend like $500 billion in coaching pc as a result of we can clearly teach Optimus to do sufficient duties to check the output of robots. And clearly, the price of coaching is losing dramatically with time. However it is a type of issues the place I feel long-term, Optimus has the possible to be north of $10 trillion in income, find it irresistible’s truly bananas. So, that you’ll clearly have enough money a large number of coaching compute in that state of affairs.
Actually, even $500 billion coaching compute in that state of affairs will likely be relatively a excellent deal. Sure, the long run goes to be extremely other from the previous, that is evidently. We are living at this improbable inflection level in human historical past. So, sure, so the evidence is within the pudding.
So, we are going to be launching unsupervised complete self-driving as a paid carrier in Austin in June. So, I talked to the crew. We really feel assured in with the ability to do an preliminary release of unsupervised, nobody within the automobile, complete self-driving in Austin in June. We have already got Teslas working autonomously unsupervised complete self-driving at our manufacturing facility in Fremont, and we’re going to quickly be doing that at our manufacturing facility in Texas.
So, 1000’s of vehicles each day are using with nobody in them at our Fremont manufacturing facility in California, that we’re going to quickly be doing that during Austin after which in other places on the planet, the remainder of our factories, which is beautiful cool. And the vehicles don’t seem to be simply using to precisely the similar spot as a result of, clearly, they wish to collide on the identical spot. The vehicles are if truth be told programmed with the place — with what lane they wish to park into to be picked up for supply. So, the pressure from the manufacturing facility finish of line to their vacation spot parking spot and to be picked up for supply to consumers after which doing this reliably each day, 1000’s of instances an afternoon.
It is beautiful cool. Like I mentioned, those Teslas will likely be within the wild with nobody in them in June in Austin. So, what I am announcing is this isn’t some distant legendary state of affairs. It is actually 5, six months away, 5 months away more or less factor.
And whilst we are stepping — hanging our toe within the water gently in the beginning simply to ensure the whole lot is cool, our answer, our form of answer is a generalized AI answer. It does no longer require top precision maps of locality. So, we simply wish to be wary. It is not that it does not paintings past Austin.
Actually, it does. We simply wish to put our toe within the water, be sure the whole lot is OK, then put a couple of extra feet within the water, then put a foot within the water with protection of most of the people as and the ones within the automobile as our most sensible precedence. In regards to Optimus, clearly, I am making those income predictions that sound completely insane, I notice that. However they’re — I feel they are going to end up to be correct.
Now with Optimus, there is a large number of uncertainty at the precise timing as a result of it isn’t like a teach arriving on the station for Optimus. We’re designing the teach on the station and in genuine time whilst additionally development the tracks. And so, they will be like, why did not the teach arrive precisely at 12:05? And prefer we are designing the teach and the tracks within the station in real-time whilst like how are we able to expect this factor with absolute precision? It is unimaginable. The standard inside plan requires more or less 10,000 Optimus robots to be constructed this yr.
Can we achieve development 10,000 precisely by means of the top of December this yr? Most definitely no longer, however can we achieve making a number of thousand? Sure, I feel we can. Will the ones a number of thousand Optimus robots be doing helpful issues by means of the top of the yr? Sure, I am assured they are going to do helpful issues. The ones Optimus in use on the Tesla factories for manufacturing design 1 will tell how will we alter for manufacturing design 2, which we predict to release subsequent yr. And our purpose is to ramp up Optimus manufacturing sooner than possibly the rest has ever been ramped, which means like aspirationally so as of magnitude, ramp in keeping with yr.
Now if we aspire to an order of magnitude ramp in keeping with yr, most likely, we best finally end up with a part order of magnitude in keeping with yr. However that is the type of enlargement that we are speaking about. It does not take very a few years sooner than we are making 100 million of this stuff a yr should you cross up by means of let’s assume, an element by means of 5x in keeping with yr.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
That is insane.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Insane. Now not 50%, 500%. Yeah, giant enlargement numbers. Sure.
However we do wish to be — that is a completely new provide chain, it is completely new era. There is not anything off the shelf to make use of. We attempted desperately with Optimus to make use of any present motors or any actuators, sensors. Not anything labored for a humanoid robotic at any worth.
We needed to design the whole lot from physics-first rules to paintings for a humanoid robotic and with essentially the most subtle hand that has ever been made sooner than by means of some distance. Optimus will likely be additionally ready to play the piano and be capable of thread a needle. I imply, that is the extent of precision nobody has been ready to reach. And so, it is truly one thing particular.
So, sure. And my prediction, longer term, is that Optimus will likely be overwhelmingly the price of the corporate. Referring to power again to Earth, are we able to come again there for a minute? Again to Earth as power garage is a large deal and can transform — truly tremendous necessary, will transform extremely necessary one day. And it’s one thing that allows some distance larger power output to the grid than is lately imaginable since the grids are — the majority of the grid has no power garage capacity.
So, they have got to design the facility vegetation to — for terribly top peaks and assuming that there is not any power garage. Upon getting grid power garage and home-based power garage, the real overall power output in keeping with yr of the grid is dramatically more than folks assume. Perhaps it is a minimum of double. This may pressure the call for of desk bound battery packs and particularly the grid-scale ones to and announcing mainly as a lot call for as we will in all probability make.
So, we’ve got our moment manufacturing facility, which is in Shanghai, that is beginning operation, and we are development a 3rd manufacturing facility. So, we are looking to ramp output of the desk bound battery garage as temporarily as imaginable. Now there’s a problem right here the place we must be cautious to — that weren’t robbing from 1 pocket to take to some other pocket as a result of for a given gigawatt hours in keeping with yr of the mobile output, does it cross into desk bound packages or cellular packages? It cannot cross each into each so we need to make that trade-off, sure. However total, the call for for overall gigawatt hours of batteries, whether or not cellular or desk bound, that may develop in an excessively, very giant method over the years.
So, in conclusion, 2025 truly is a pivotal yr for Tesla. And after we glance again on 2025 and the release of unsupervised complete self-driving, true real-world AI that if truth be told works, I feel we would possibly regard it as the most important yr in Tesla historical past, possibly even larger than Atlas automobile, or the Style S or the Style 3 or Style Y. Actually, I feel it almost definitely will likely be seen ’25 as possibly crucial yr in Tesla’s historical past. There’s no corporate on the planet this is as excellent in real-world AI as Tesla.
I do not even know who is in moment position. Such as you say, like, who is in the second one position for real-world AI? I would want an excessively giant telescope to look them. That is how some distance in the back of they’re. All proper.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Nice. Thanks very a lot, Elon. And Vaibhav has some opening remarks as smartly.
Vaibhav Taneja — Leader Monetary Officer
Yeah, I will discuss issues on Earth. As Elon discussed, in This fall, we set information of car deliveries and effort garage deployments in an unsure macro surroundings. We had been ready to develop auto and effort garage volumes, each sequentially and on a year-on-year foundation. For this, I wish to thank the efforts of everybody at Tesla to make this a fact, and our consumers who helped us do so.
Entering the fourth quarter, our focal point was once to scale back stock ranges within the automobile industry, and we achieved that by means of finishing the quarter with the bottom completed excellent stock within the final two years. This was once a results of providing no longer best horny financing choices but additionally different reductions and systems, which impacted ASPs. Whilst we noticed quantity enlargement in nearly all areas that we function in, we hit a brand new file for deliveries within the Better China marketplace. That is an encouraging pattern since we grew quantity in a extremely aggressive BEV marketplace.
At the automobile margin entrance, we noticed a quarter-over-quarter decline basically because of decrease ASPs than because of the popularity of FSD-related income in Q3 from function releases. Our adventure on value relief continues, and we had been ready to get our total value in keeping with automobile down underneath $35,000, pushed basically by means of subject matter prices. This was once in spite of greater depreciation and different prices as we get ready for the transition to the brand new Style Y, for which we not too long ago began taking orders in all markets. All our factories will get started generating the brand new Style Y subsequent month.
Whilst we really feel assured in our crew’s talents to ramp manufacturing temporarily, observe that it’s an exceptional alternate, and we don’t seem to be acutely aware of any one else taking the best-selling automobile on the earth and updating all factories on the identical time. This changeover will lead to a number of weeks of misplaced manufacturing within the quarter. Because of this, margins will likely be impacted because of idle capability and different ramp-related prices, as is not unusual in any release however will likely be triumph over as manufacturing is ramped. We will be able to be introducing a number of new merchandise all through 2025.
We’re nonetheless heading in the right direction to release a extra inexpensive fashion within the first part of 2025 and can proceed to extend our lineup from there. From a dollar-for-dollar foundation, we imagine we’ve got essentially the most compelling lineup these days in comparison to the trade, and it’ll proceed to get well from right here. As all the time, all our merchandise include the finest tool within the trade, autonomy options and able to complete autonomy one day. And in spite of the top rate revel in, the entire value of possession is with reference to marketplace, much less top rate competition.
Power garage deployments reached an all-time top in This fall, and this led to — however declined sequentially. This was once a results of upper — sorry, enlargement got here from Megapack and Powerwall. Each companies proceed to be provide constrained, and prefer Elon discussed, we are looking to ramp up manufacturing with Megafactory Shanghai coming on-line this quarter onwards. Whilst quarterly deployments will most probably proceed to vary sequentially, we predict a minimum of 50% enlargement in deployments yr over yr in 2025.
Gross benefit and margins within the carrier and different industry was once up yr over yr however declined sequentially. This was once the results of upper carrier middle prices and decrease benefit from used automobile industry. The companies inside carrier and different basically enhance our new automobile industry, particularly during the affect on overall value of possession. Due to this fact, whilst we arrange them to be certain on a GAAP foundation, we don’t be expecting equivalent margins as the remainder of the industry.
There is a large number of uncertainty round price lists. Over time, we have attempted to localize our provide chain in each marketplace, however we’re nonetheless very reliant on portions from internationally for all our companies. Due to this fact, the imposition of price lists, which may be very most probably, could have an affect on our industry and profitability. Our working bills grew each yr over yr and sequentially.
The largest motive force of the rise was once R&D as we proceed to spend money on AI-related tasks. The remainder building up got here from enlargement in our gross sales functions and advertising and marketing efforts from referral program. For 2025, we predict working bills to extend to enhance our enlargement tasks. You will need to indicate that the web source of revenue in This fall was once impacted by means of a $600 million mark-to-market have the benefit of Bitcoin because of the adoption of a brand new accounting usual for virtual property, wherein we can alternate — we can take mark-to-market changes thru different source of revenue each reporting duration going ahead.
Our loose money go with the flow for the quarter was once $2 billion, and in spite of capex building up of over $2.4 billion in 2024, we had been ready to generate loose money go with the flow of $3.6 billion for the yr. Capex potency is one thing we’re extraordinarily involved in. Whilst we’ve got invested in AI-related tasks, we’ve got achieved so in an excessively focused means to make use of the spend to get quick advantages. The build-out of Cortex was once sped up on account of the position — if truth be told to boost up the rollout of FSD Model 13.
Amassed AI-related capex, together with infrastructure, thus far has been roughly $5 billion. And for 2025, we predict our capex to be flat on a year-over-year foundation. In conclusion, like Elon mentioned, 2025 goes to be a pivotal yr for Tesla. There are a large number of investments which we’ve got made and can proceed to make on this coming yr, which is able to set the tempo for the following section of enlargement.
And it’s one thing which now I am getting out at the ground, it’s going to be out of this international. And we simply are hanging proper basis. And that’s the reason all I’ve.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Nice. Thanks very a lot, Vaibhav. Now, we can transfer over to investor questions and we’re going to get started with say.com. The primary query is, is unsupervised FSD nonetheless deliberate to be launched in Texas and California this yr? What hurdles nonetheless exist to make that occur? You addressed the Texas piece, I feel, already.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Yeah, I am assured that we’re going to liberate unsupervised FSD California this yr as smartly. Sure, in truth, I feel we can in all probability liberate unsupervised FSD in lots of areas of the rustic of the U.S. by means of the top of this yr. Like I say, we are simply hanging our toe within the water, then a couple of feet, then a meals, then leg, then be sure the whole lot is cool.
And we are on the lookout for a security stage this is considerably above the common human motive force. So, it isn’t any place like a lot more secure, no longer like a bit of bit more secure than human, method more secure than human. So, the usual needs to be very top as a result of nowadays, if there is any more or less twist of fate with an self reliant automobile, that in an instant will get international headlines, even if about 40,000 folks die annually in automobile injuries within the U.S., and maximum do not even get discussed any place. But when any person scrapes that shin with an self reliant automobile, it is headline information.
Vaibhav Taneja — Leader Monetary Officer
We wish to keep away from that.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Sure. So, it is truly from a — the one factor maintaining us again is an way over warning. However folks can no doubt get a really feel for the way smartly the automobile would carry out as unsupervised FSD by means of merely having a automobile — permitting the automobile to pressure you round your town and spot how repeatedly did it’s important to interfere, no longer the place you sought after to interfere or had been little involved. However how repeatedly did it’s important to be intervened for particular protection causes? And you’re going to to find that this is lately very uncommon and over the years, nearly by no means.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Nice. The following query is, are there any discussions with different auto corporations about licensing FSD?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Yeah. What we are seeing is at this level, important passion from plenty of primary automobile corporations about licensing Tesla complete self-driving era. What we have most often mentioned is one of the simplest ways to grasp what to do is take certainly one of our vehicles aside. After which you’ll see the place the location of the cameras are, what the thermal wishes are of the Tesla AI inference pc.
That is higher than us promoting CAD drawings. After which we are best going to entertain scenarios the place the quantity could be very — another way, it isn’t well worth the complexity. And we can no longer burden our engineering crew with onerous discussions with different engineering groups till we clearly have unsupervised complete self-driving running all through america. I feel the passion stage from different producers to license FSD will likely be extraordinarily top as soon as it’s evident that except you’ve gotten FSD, you are useless.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Nice. Thanks very a lot. The following query is, is Optimus now most commonly design-locked for 2025 manufacturing?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Optimus isn’t design-locked. So, let’s assume like we are designing the teach as it will — we are redesigning the teach as it is taking place the tracks whilst redesigning the tracks and the teach stations. Sure, it is hastily evolving. It is hastily evolving in a excellent route.
It is beautiful rattling superb if truth be told. The crew is doing an improbable activity. We truly have, I feel, by means of some distance the finest crew of humanoid robotics engineers on the planet. And we even have all of the different elements essential as a result of you want an ideal battery pack, you want nice energy electronics, you want nice charging capacity.
You want an ideal communications, a Wi-Fi and mobile connectivity. And naturally, you want real-world AI after which the facility to scale that manufacturing to a vital large ranges, so it’s important to design for production. The issues that — I imply, truly what different corporations are lacking is they are lacking the real-world AI and they are lacking the facility to scale production to tens of millions of gadgets a yr.
Vaibhav Taneja — Leader Monetary Officer
I feel this is an underappreciated factor that industrialization of design is an entire other factor than creating a design.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Yeah, prototypes are trivial mainly. Prototypes are simple manufacturing is there for a few years. The issue is there is like those that have by no means been keen on manufacturing or production come what may assume that can — while you get a hold of some eureka design, that you just magically could make 1 million gadgets a yr, and that is utterly false. There must be some — there is some Hollywood tale or the place they display if truth be told the issue is production.
I have by no means even heard of 1. It simply does not have compatibility the narrative. The Hollywood factor is like some lone inventor in a storage is going eureka. And , it recordsdata a patent, and , there is tens of millions of gadgets.
And prefer I am taking note of the blokes, we are lacking truly 99% of the tale. One p.c is — a product is 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration. Hollywood displays you the 1% inspiration and minus — however forgets in regards to the 99% perspiration of if truth be told understanding the right way to make that preliminary prototype manufacturable after which manufacture at top quantity similar to dependable, low value, constant, does not destroy down always and that’s 100 instances trendy a minimum of than the prototype.
Lars Moravy — Vice President, Car Engineering
After which it’s important to get it delivered.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Yeah, and you’ve got a majority of these laws and particularly regulators all over the world, it is very tough.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Nice, thanks. The following query may be Optimus-related. When will Tesla get started promoting Optimus and what’s going to be the cost be?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Smartly, for this yr, we predict to simply shut the loop with Optimus getting used internally at Tesla as a result of we clearly can simply use a number of thousand humanoid robots at Tesla for, I feel, essentially the most dull, tense duties within the manufacturing facility, just like the duties no person needs to do, the place we need to beg folks to try this job. After which they — it is like they are utterly satisfied to do the dull unhealthy repetitive trying out no people wish to do. And that’s the reason additionally if truth be told one of the highest use instances for us to have Optimus do such things as load the hopper, like frame line, should you like, transporting items of sheet steel to the — which is robotic, the robotic welding line for the frame and also you simply need to nonstop take issues out of a – from one fixture to some other fixture. And it is a very dull activity.
That is the type of factor that Optimus may just do.
Lars Moravy — Vice President, Car Engineering
The fellow who runs round and does all of the wall studs and the pins.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Yeah. There is a ton of dull jobs, tedious jobs, somewhat unhealthy jobs which are Optimus. So, we predict to make use of Optimus for the ones duties at our factories, and that may lend a hand us shut loop for development this yr. It truly was once the manufacturing Model 2 which I feel launches someday subsequent yr.
I would find it irresistible to be the start of subsequent yr however possibly it is extra like the center of subsequent yr. After which we need to — with a manufacturing line this is designed for — at the order of 10,000 gadgets a month as opposed to 1,000 gadgets a month. So, if you end up designing a manufacturing line for 1,000 gadgets a month, it takes you some time to if truth be told succeed in any place with reference to 1,000 gadgets a month. For any given manufacturing output, it takes some time to if truth be told succeed in its possible.
The present line that we are designing is for more or less 1,000 gadgets a month of Optimus robots. The following line could be for 10,000 gadgets a month. The road after that may be for 100,000 gadgets a month. And I feel almost definitely with Model 2, this is a very tough wager as a result of there is such a lot uncertainty right here, very tough wager that we begin turning in Optimus robots to corporations which are out of doors of Tesla in possibly the second one part of subsequent yr, one thing like that.
However like I mentioned, that is such an exponential ramp that it’ll cross from nobody’s receiving humanoid robots to those such things as popping out like loopy. We will’t construct sufficient. We are all the time going to be within the — we will’t construct sufficient state of affairs. Call for is probably not an issue even at a top worth.
After which I mentioned like, when we get started — when we’re at a gentle state of above 1 million gadgets a yr, I feel the manufacturing — I am assured at 1 million gadgets a yr, that the manufacturing value of Optimus will likely be lower than $20,000. For those who examine the complexity of Optimus to the complexity of a automobile, so simply the entire mass and complexity of Optimus is far lower than a automobile. So, I might be expecting that at equivalent volumes to mention the Style Y, which is over 1 million gadgets a yr, that you would see Optimus be, I have no idea, part the price or one thing like that. What the cost of Optimus is a distinct topic.
The cost of Optimus will likely be set by means of the marketplace call for.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Nice. Thanks very a lot. The following query is, what’s the standing on mass manufacturing of the Tesla Semi? And the way will it affect income and scale?
Lars Moravy — Vice President, Car Engineering
I will be able to take that one. So, we simply closed out the Semi manufacturing facility roof of partitions final week in Reno, a time table, which is superb with the elements. In Reno, you by no means know what is going to occur. However we are prepping for mechanical set up of all of the apparatus within the coming months.
The primary builds of the top volumes in design come overdue this yr in 2025 and start ramping early in 2026. However as we have mentioned sooner than, the Semi is a TCO, no-brainer. I feel it is truly very similar to Optimus. It’ll be set by means of how a lot folks pay and it has the entire value of possession, it is a lot, a lot inexpensive than another transportation you need to have.
So, at that time, after we’re at scale, it’ll meaningfully give a contribution to Tesla’s income. Could be tough to mention how a lot. you need so as to add.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
No. I imply, I do assume that Tesla Semi, once more with autonomy, goes to be extremely treasured. That we if truth be told have a scarcity of truck drivers in The usa, that is probably the most restricting elements on shipping. And persons are human so that they get drained and occasionally there is — I’ve a large number of admire for truck drivers as a result of it is a difficult activity.
However as a result of it is a difficult activity, there is no longer that many of us that wish to do it. And there is if truth be told fewer — I imagine, if my announcing is proper, there are a couple of folks coming into truck using as a career than don’t seem to be leaving it. So, while you bring to mind sure, precisely. So, while you believe, OK, there is extra folks leaving truck using as a career than coming into it, smartly, we are going to have an actual logistics downside as time is going by means of.
So, autonomy will likely be essential to fulfill that want. So, like, sure, it’ll — I have no idea. It is a a number of billion a yr alternative, which I have no idea on this context. At the present time, does a number of billion a yr topic? I feel it does.
It is not not anything. It is almost definitely — it will displace a $10 billion a yr factor. That is $1 billion a month one day almost definitely. However all that is going to light compared to Optimus.
So, sure, $1 billion a month is so much however it isn’t it will be like 1% of Optimus.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Nice. Thanks very a lot. We already coated the following query in opening remarks, so transferring on. Is it anticipated that Tesla that may wish to improve {Hardware} 3 cars? And if that is so, what’s the timeline and anticipated affect to Tesla’s capex? I feel they are referring to price there.
Lars Moravy — Vice President, Car Engineering
They are truly asking the cruel questions, don’t seem to be they?
Vaibhav Taneja — Leader Monetary Officer
I suppose we’ve not got to work on {Hardware} 3 but. We’re nonetheless making tool releases. We launched the 12.6 liberate not too long ago, which was once like a child V13, however it is a important development in comparison to what they’d up to now. Individuals are nonetheless discovering techniques to distill greater fashions within the smaller fashions.
So, we are not giving up on {Hardware}. We are nonetheless running on it. Simply will path the {Hardware} 4 releases.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Nice. Thank you.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
I imply, I feel the fair reply is that we are going to need to improve folks’s {Hardware} 3 pc for people that have purchased complete self-driving, and that’s the fair reply and that’s the reason going to be painful and hard however we’re going to get it achieved. Now I am more or less satisfied that no longer that many of us purchased the FSD bundle.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Thank you, Elon. The following query, has Tesla given up on ramping their sun roof product?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Sorry, Mike, cross forward.
Unknown speaker — — Analyst
Sure, I will be able to take it. Sure, sun roof is a core a part of the residential product portfolio and it nonetheless stays. It attracts a large number of buyer passion in spite of it being top rate merchandise. Now we have labored on more than one iterations of engineering to make the product more uncomplicated to put in and distribute by means of lowering SKU depend.
And extra not too long ago, relatively than direct set up, we’re involved in enlargement thru our national community of qualified installers. And plenty of of the ones, they have been putting in sun for a few years.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
That is if truth be told grew to become out to be a a lot better method for the — find it irresistible’s simply let the roof — simply provide merchandise to the roofing trade. And particularly when any person’s is getting a brand new roof anyway or development a area from scratch, clearly, that is by means of some distance the most productive time to place in a sun roof versus hanging a sun roof on a area that — the place the roof nonetheless has two decades of existence. That isn’t economically senseful. But when it is a new area or the roof must be changed anyway, then sun roof could make a large number of sense.
And this is a top rate product. It is like Style S, Style X or one thing, find it irresistible’s a top rate product. I feel it seems to be truly cool. And also you — I imply, your own home generates electrical energy.
And should you mix it with the Tesla Powerwall battery, then you’ll be self-sufficient. So, although the grid turns off, although the grid turns off for a number of days, your own home nonetheless works, and your roof seems to be superior. So, it is like I like to recommend any person who can have enough money it, get the Tesla Sun Roof and the Powerwall. Your existence would possibly rely on it.
And simply on the subject of comfort, your children don’t seem to be going that can assist you as a result of their computer systems do not paintings since the energy went out and you’ll’t rate your telephone. In reality, occurs over the years. You actually cannot even name any person as a result of your telephone’s out.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Thanks very a lot. The following query was once coated in opening remarks so we can skip that. And the final query from say.com. What technical breakthroughs will outline V14 of FSD, for the reason that V13 already coated to keep watch over?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Smartly, we are going to have an entire let additional than photons to output. Now we have been in form of the not anything however nets state of affairs, not anything however nets from photons to controls for some time now for simply bettering the neural nets. I suppose shall we get into one of the technical main points to a point. I’ve to mention I proceed to be amazed by means of simply how efficient auto-aggressive transformers are at fixing quite a lot of issues.
I imply, Ashok, is there the rest you would like so as to add there with out giving for free such a circle of relatives secrets and techniques?
Ashok Elluswamy — Director, Autopilot Tool
Issues file on subsequent already. proceeding to scale the fashion measurement so much. We scale a host in V13 however then there is nonetheless room to develop. So, we are going to proceed to scale the fashion measurement.
We are going to building up the contract period much more. The reminiscence form of restricted at this time. We wish to building up the quantity of reminiscence it holds to even mins of context for using. They will upload audio emergency higher, upload knowledge of the tough nook instances that we get from all of the fleet, any interventions or any more or less like person intervention.
We simply upload that to the knowledge set. So, scaling mainly each side compute, dataset measurement, fashion measurement, fashion context and in addition the reinforcement finding out targets.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
All proper. With that, we can transfer over to analyst questions. [Operator instructions] And the primary query will likely be coming from Daniel Roeska from Bernstein. Daniel, please cross forward and unmute your self.
Daniel Roeska — Analyst
Hi there, excellent night, everyone. It is Daniel from Bernstein. Elon, Tesla’s percentage worth obviously already comprises relatively a number of the expected advantages you mentioned these days, but understanding what you name more or less tough however achievable will take a little time. What are you pushing the Tesla government crew to do in a different way now to boost up the innovation as a way to notice the price you described for the corporate?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Smartly, I imply, we are, I feel, running on perfecting real-world AI and making fast growth week over week, if no longer month — no doubt month over month. It is steadily week over week. I spent a large number of time with the Tesla AI crew and the Tesla Optimus crew. I imply, I am going the place the issue is basically.
If one thing, that is unlucky. Infrequently I do not communicate to Tesla government crew and prefer, hello, we do not see you very steadily. That is as a result of your stuff is operating superior. You are running truly nice.
Hadn’t observed them very steadily as a result of I am going the place the issue is. So, on the issues like what is the biggest problem that lies forward. So, clearly, there are lots of demanding situations with Optimus. It is a arduous downside to unravel, many demanding situations with the car autonomy.
However we are making fast growth on each, sure.
Daniel Roeska — Analyst
OK. I imply, it feels like you have got a conviction that the items you want, proper, are in position. If we more or less cross 365 days down the road and we glance again and also you had a few of the ones, however possibly what are the type of two or 3 KPIs that may let you know that you are heading in the right direction and it is going the proper method, and the items you installed position are the proper items, proper? That is more or less what I am on the lookout for. Or wrong way round, the place would it not be off in all probability for your thoughts that you just say, “Hi there, I wish to return there and I wish to alternate one thing to allow the crew higher?”
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
SP1 Smartly, I imply, I feel the predictions that I am making listed here are going to be beautiful correct. And it is price not anything that occasionally folks say, Elon’s all the time overdue. Smartly, if truth be told, no, the issues of the media experiences on when I am overdue however by no means experiences when I am early. So, certain, I am constructive however I am not that constructive.
There are lots of instances in previous the place if truth be told we have been early similar to finishing touch of the Shanghai manufacturing facility or the manufacturing facility finishing touch has most often been forward of time table, no longer in the back of. So, sure. However I am very assured we’re going to have launched unsupervised complete self-driving, totally self reliant Teslas in Austin and a number of other different towns in The usa by means of the top of this yr, as almost definitely all over in The usa subsequent yr, at all over in North The usa, a minimum of. I feel on the subject of subsequent yr, our constraints, I feel it is more likely to be simply regulatory.
Like Europe truly has, for instance, Europe is a layer cake of laws of paperwork, which that truly must be addressed. This can be a like The usa innovates, Europe regulates. So, guys, there is too many reps within the box. As an example, for us, simply to liberate unsupervised complete self-driving in Europe, even if it really works truly smartly, we need to undergo a mountain of bureaucracy with the Netherlands, which is our number one regulatory authority.
Then the Netherlands items us to the EU in, I feel, Would possibly. And there is like this EU nation committee. We think it to be licensed at the moment. There is not anything we will do to make that can occur faster.
Actually, no person turns out to do — however I suppose all of the international locations must come what may vote by some means to have it occur faster than Would possibly. Another way, it would not occur faster than Would possibly. So, the is unsupervised FSD so much in Europe or like Would possibly subsequent yr, possibly? I have no idea. you to find out when recreation. Infrequently it is a 12-month cadence, occasionally it is six-month cadence.
Then China, which is an enormous marketplace, we do have some demanding situations as a result of they were not — they lately let us switch coaching video out of doors of China. After which the United States govt would possibly not allow us to do coaching in China. So, we are in a bit of of a there. It is like a predicament.
So, we had been fixing then is by means of actually browsing at movies of streets in China which are to be had at the Web to know after which feeding that into our coaching in order that publicly to be had video of side road indicators and visitors regulations in China can be utilized for coaching after which additionally hanging it in an excessively correct simulator. And so, it’ll teach the usage of SIM for bus lanes in China. Like bus lanes in China are certainly one of our largest demanding situations in making FSD paintings in China is their bus lanes are very difficult. And there is like actually like hours of the day that you are allowed to be there and no longer be there.
After which should you accidently cross in at bus lane on the improper time, you get an automated price ticket in an instant. And so, it was once type of a large deal, bus lanes in China. So, we put that into our simulator teach on that, the automobile has to grasp what time of day it’s, learn the signal. Anyway, we’re going to get this solved.
However I feel we’re going to have unsupervised FSD in nearly each marketplace this yr, restricted just by regulatory problems, no longer technical capacity. After which unsupervised FSD within the U.S. this yr, in lots of towns however national subsequent yr. And confidently, we’ve got unsupervised FSD in maximum international locations by means of the top of subsequent yr.
That is my prediction with the finest knowledge that I’ve at this time.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Nice. Thanks very a lot. The following query will come from Adam Jonas at Morgan Stanley. Adam, please be at liberty to unmute your self.
Adam Jonas — Analyst
Thank you, everyone. So, Elon, you might have mentioned prior to now about LiDAR, for EVs, that LIDAR is a crutch, a idiot’s errand. I feel you even instructed me as soon as, although it was once loose, you would say you would not use it. Do you continue to really feel that method?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Sure.
Adam Jonas — Analyst
Care to elaborate? Or simply I’ve some other query.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Glance, we also have a radar within the automobile and we grew to become it off.
Adam Jonas — Analyst
I were given it. Other people assume you are loopy.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Clearly, people pressure with out taking pictures lasers out in their eyes. I imply, except you are Superman. However like people pressure simply with passive visible, people pressure with eyes and a neural internet and a mind neural internet, form of organic, which is the virtual similar of eyes and a mind are cameras and virtual neural nets or AI. So, that is all of the highway device was once designed for passive optical neural nets.
As to how the entire highway device which isn’t designed and what everyone seems to be anticipating, that is how we predict different vehicles to act. So, due to this fact, this is very clearly an answer for complete self-driving as a generalized. However the generalized answer for complete self-driving versus the very explicit community by means of community answer, which may be very tough to handle, which is what our competition are doing, sure, sure.
Unknown speaker — — Analyst
It does not paintings within the fall guys.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
LiDAR has a large number of problems. I do not completely like SpaceX dragging doctors with the gap station in most cases LIDAR, {that a} program that I individually spearheaded. I do not need some elementary strange identical to LiDAR, it is merely the improper answer for using vehicles on roads.
Adam Jonas — Analyst
Proper. You know how LiDAR works, I suppose.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Actually designed and constructed our personal pink LiDAR. I oversaw the mission, the engineering factor. It was once my goal to make use of LiDAR Dragon. And I all the time noticed that engineering mission at once.
So, like we actually designed and made a LiDAR area station. I assumed it was once the proper answer for vehicles, would do this, however it’s not.
Adam Jonas — Analyst
Were given you. All proper. Simply as a follow-up. At CES, you mentioned — I am paraphrasing however any AI will be capable of do any cognitive job no longer involving atoms throughout the subsequent 3 or 4 years.
And that may suggest, Elon, that sooner than the top of President Trump’s time period in place of work, that AI could be transferring beautiful rattling temporarily into the bodily international, the sector of photons and ATMs. And I am pondering, given your paintings with the management, how assured are you that the U.S. could have the producing and provide base to make excellent in your pleasure about bodily AI by means of the top of — by means of latter this decade? We appear beautiful risky at this time. I have observed you tweeting about or sorry, X-ing, excuse me, Elon, about China — Freudian slip, about China having like making extra drones in an afternoon than the U.S.
makes in a yr and all of the entanglement of the provision. So, what has to occur within the U.S. to make that imaginable? What is your message? And what are you able to do about it and what is related for Tesla shareholders?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Smartly, at Tesla, clearly, we predict production is cool. SpaceX, we predict production is cool. However normally, for proficient American citizens, they wish to be — past my corporations, me and my groups right here. Basically, we wish to make production cool once more in The usa.
And prefer I in truth assume folks will have to transfer from like regulation and finance into production. That isn’t. We have now too many each a complIment and a grievance. We have now an excessive amount of skill in regulation and finance in The usa, and there will have to be extra of that skill in production.
So, I imply, at Tesla, we are ensuring that we will proceed to fabricate our stuff even within the match of geopolitical tensions emerging to very top ranges.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Nice. The following query will come from Pierre Ferragu at New Boulevard. Pierre, please be at liberty to unmute your self.
Pierre Ferragu — Analyst
Hi there, thank you guys for taking the query. So, I’ve a query, Elon, on deploying like robotaxis in June in Austin, in order that’s nice information. And I used to be questioning if it manner I will be able to pressure all the way down to Austin in June and check out unsupervised on my own with my automobile or it will be extra like your fleet trying out it?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
It’s going to be our fleet trying out it. That is how form of toe within the water. Would we very sparsely to ensure it isn’t one thing we overlooked. However it’ll be proper self reliant for in Austin in June, after which as in a while as imaginable, different towns in The usa.
And I be expecting us to be working unsupervised process with our inside fleet in numerous towns by means of the top of the yr. Then as almost definitely subsequent yr when persons are ready so as to add or subtract their automobile from the fleet. So, more or less like Airbnb, the place you’ll form of upload or subtract your own home or your guestroom, upload it to the Airbnb or do not upload it to the Airbnb stock. In case you are touring for a month, you’ll or regardless of the case possibly you’ll let folks use your own home.
After which you’ll — in order that’s almost definitely subsequent yr as a result of we wish to simply be sure we have ironed out any kinks. And a large number of it — it isn’t like we are not splitting atoms right here. It is only a bunch of labor that must be achieved to ensure the entire thing works, particularly that individuals can order the automobile, it involves the proper spot, does precisely the proper factor, all of the cost programs paintings, the billing works. Sure.
Pierre Ferragu — Analyst
However then so my follow-up query could be, I’ve a Tesla, I’ve FSD, and I’ve to stay my eyes at the highway always. It is tremendous dull as a result of I do not truly wish to interfere anymore. And the truly tense factor is that I will be able to’t simply take a look at my emails. And so, are you running additionally on introducing like one of those like loose unsupervised the place I might be eyes off, and I might be capable of take a look at my e-mail and would simply wish to, with a five-second understand, have to return and keep watch over what is taking place? Or is that one thing you are running on as smartly as it feels so shut with that I ponder whether it is one thing shall we be expecting for this yr.
It is a very egocentric query I ask for myself, to be fair.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Sure. We wish to be very assured that the likelihood of harm is low sooner than we’re ready to test their e-mail and textual content messages. Actually, at this time, we are on this state of affairs, which could have encountered your self the place folks will if truth be told cross to guide using to test their textual content messages so the pc does not lend a hand them after which cross — then put it again on self reliant mode as soon as they have checked the textual content messages, which is, siginifcantly, in truth much less protected.
Pierre Ferragu — Analyst
Considerably much less protected.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Considerably much less protected than simply letting folks take a look at their textual content from time to time with out the pc yelling at them. However we simply wish to be wary in regards to the — we are in such a neither right here nor there. However only for — I imply, I feel it isn’t for lots of months longer. However sure, we are on this perverse state of affairs the place we can flip the automobile off autopilot places them take a look at the textual content messages whilst steerage the automobile with their knee and no longer browsing out the window.
Ashok Elluswamy — Director, Autopilot Tool
And it is like Elon mentioned, proper? When you’ve got any issues when the device and when folks don’t seem to be browsing, this is unhealthy. And that’s the reason what we’re looking to keep away from. The aptitude is getting there however it isn’t totally there. That is why he was once the usage of the time period dipping our toe within the water then getting at ease.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Anyway, it isn’t some distance off, however we wish to end up to ourselves end up ourselves and clearly end up to regulators that the automobile is unequivocally more secure in self reliant mode than no longer. And that’s the reason — we are not some distance off, so that is like low single-digit months.
Ashok Elluswamy — Director, Autopilot Tool
Simply to the security side, we did put up our car protection file these days. And in This fall was once one crash for each 5.9 million miles pushed in comparison to a crash each 700,000 miles with out autopilot.
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
We are attending to the purpose the place it is so as of magnitude higher.
Ashok Elluswamy — Director, Autopilot Tool
Sure, like 8.5 instances more secure.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
That is superb. Nice. Alrighty. And our final query will likely be coming from Dan Levy at Barclays.
Dan, be at liberty to unmute your self.
Dan Levy — Analyst
Nice. Excellent night. Thanks for taking the questions. Elon, you might have talked in regards to the want for proliferation of sustainable shipping prior to now as form of broader push to sustainable power.
I do know we have heard so much about President Trump’s plans to opposite the EV mandate. And I feel there is a view that given legislation is a motive force of EV uptake, this might gradual EV uptake within the U.S. So, what could be your view at the proper coverage within the U.S., given your feedback prior to now that the wish to push for sustainable shipping?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
At this level, I feel that sustainable shipping is inevitable. I am extremely assured all shipping will likely be self reliant electrical, together with airplane, and that it is merely — it may be stopped any longer than one may have stopped the appearance of the exterior combustion engine, steam engine or one may have stopped the appearance of the interior combustion engine. Like although you might have been the most important recommend on Earth, like of the best way on those newfangled automobile vehicles, you’ll’t prevent the appearance of car. It’ll occur.
And you’ll’t prevent the appearance of electrical vehicles. It’ll occur. The opposite factor maintaining again electrical vehicles was once vary and that could be a solved downside.
Dan Levy — Analyst
Nice. After which as a follow-up, prior to now, Elon, you had made a remark that you would be prepared to promote vehicles at successfully no margin to get the vehicles in the market. And there is a remark within the liberate these days of the velocity of acceleration of the autonomy efforts does affect quantity enlargement. So, most likely you need to simply discuss along with your efforts on FSD, how we will have to consider your want to place extra cars out out there to make the most of your tech advances?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
So, I am not certain I perceive the query. We have now a large number of vehicles. I imply, you have got tens of millions of vehicles in the market.
Ashok Elluswamy — Director, Autopilot Tool
So, is there a query, Dan, that how will we marry our long run enlargement facets with FSD?
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Pass forward, unmute your self, Dan.
Dan Levy — Analyst
Sure. Extra so simply how a lot more aggressively you possibly can be prepared to promote your vehicles as opposed to in mild of your enhancements on FSD?
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Smartly, at this time, the constraint we are looking to clear up is battery manufacturing versus call for. And now Q1, we have were given this huge manufacturing facility retooling for the brand new Style Y, for instance. That clearly has a momentary affect on output. However the issue we had been announcing with, in truth, we are speaking that the chief crew and I had been speaking about simply sooner than this name was once we have were given to determine the right way to building up overall gigawatt hours of battery manufacturing this yr a technique or some other.
That is the constraint on our output.
Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Nice. All proper. And with that, I feel we’re all achieved for these days. So, thank you, everybody, such a lot for your entire questions.
We sit up for speaking to you subsequent quarter. Thanks very a lot, and good-bye.
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Travis Axelrod — Head of Investor Family members
Elon Reeve Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Elon Musk — Leader Govt Officer and Product Architect
Vaibhav Taneja — Leader Monetary Officer
Lars Moravy — Vice President, Car Engineering
Unknown speaker — — Analyst
Ashok Elluswamy — Director, Autopilot Tool
Daniel Roeska — Analyst
Adam Jonas — Analyst
Pierre Ferragu — Analyst
Dan Levy — Analyst
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